Re: Thou?


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Written by Russ Bledsoe at 29 Dec 2000 19:00:09:

As an answer to: Re: Thou? written by Yonatan Ahdut at 18 Dec 2000 17:27:31:

>>>what is actually the thou the martin buer proposes? Except saying that to reach the I-thou we should meet the other "form" (whatever it might be) in its entirety and its total subjectivity can somone actually give me a good example of what it means with an i -thou relationship?
>>> Thou is not an object, a thing, it is the other in their very presentness. Buber is talking about the 'self' - a person's identity - Without other people to teach us how, we can never become genuinely human - the 'self' is fundamentally dyadic. Thou is the other when I meet them as another like myself (so avoiding the Cartesian problem of other minds). The term 'soul' is a very loose way of thinking about it although I don't think that's strictly what Buber is trying to get at.
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>^^I believe that What Buber is saying is that... I n most cases the realationship that you have with a person, no matter how well you know them is somewhat indirect (in the sence that there is a generalization that is tied in with the person{A bious within your own perception} in your own mind) causing a gap in the connection between you and the other being. To reach an "I thou" connection, you must have a not so down to earth perspective. The connection that is made is based on a respect for the other. Not so much an equality and commen ground found between you, but a person to person connection that is identified in the space of your mind where a long term base can be stored. This can only be eutilized through an I thou relationship.

>>>>>>MOMENT<<<<<. like when you go "whoa, something's happening", and pooph! it's gone. it goes because we REALIZE it is there. to realize something it must be EXPERIENCED. to experience we must chop it up and shuffle it into our "senses", and Thou cannot be divided. it's much much more slippery than that. I beleive the real and the thou are instantaneous connections with God.





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